INTVEEs have no previous experience of local authority fee-paying schools. Male INTVEE told by colleagues that Craigmuir was out of the question, they tried Wardie and Trinity but there were no places until the child was tested and then a place was offered immediately. They describe children at Craigmuir and Ainslie Park as scruffy. They are shocked at the frequent use of belt. They think teaching at Trinity is narrow and rigid and deplore the lack of arts - "I don’t think they've ever heard of projects". Only once in seven years had their children visited a museum or gallery. They want their children to go to university although female INTVEE thinks this is more important for their son. Possible careers for daughter include teaching, nursing or social work. Their children were smacked when they were younger and daddy was used as a threat. They don’t believe in a fixed reward and punishment system as children grow up imperceptibly and ways of dealing with them change. Their greatest objection to physical punishment in school is the public nature of it and the humiliation.